...and I have gotten both, plus the 40 Cal Big Brother 10mm. Need more.? Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. i agree and i hear that every day. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. .45 being a nuclear bomb!!! Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. It appears to me, however that when comparing calibers in terms of penetration, the opposite is true. It'll take all kinds of enthusiasm away from your intruder whether you use choked turkey shot or 00. Yeah its not close because its way higher moron. "Well, this might rock your world but I’d recommend getting one of each." Over penetration matters in public too. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. As a beginner, I'm going hiking with lots of bears.

You cant beat the trigger on a .45 1911. It’s truly sad that worthless police management who sit on their asses all day behind their desk in their A/C can implement near-sighted ideas like this, but it is what it is. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law.

At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. I have seen very few .45 wounds to the chest survive. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. I prefer more shock per hit. * more rounds (20-30% accuracy by FBI measures) You are right; the soul is eternal, and only God can condemn it to hell, and ultimately to "the Lake of Fire." My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you.

That’s why my husband is getting a Sig Sauer .45 ACP for Christmas. I've owned & fired both repeatable over the years. If you can hit with one and allways misswith the others , I think I would chose the one you can make the most hits with, just from my own exsperance , I had some mild steel targets out at my home we used to shoot at all day and almost every day with .38 spl, And 9 mm, then I bought a kimber1911 230gr .45ACP at 830fps has 477 joules of kinetic energy. If you come into my home, they're carrying what's left out in a bag. The Super with the 1300 fps (1930s loading) 130 gr blunt RN its supposed to be loaded with for FMJ is better than 9mm hardball on all counts. I love Eric's articles.

The same size 9mm semi auto usually holds more rounds (often 15+1) than a 45.

Get proficient on YOUR time. When comparing the two handguns, it’s important to note that the 9mm hasn’t become better than the .45 ACP…it just caught up to it. It stops would be's and penetration is a non issue. I have been shot at a couple more times, they missed. Modern law enforcement as a whole has gone away from .45-caliber weapons in favor of firearms chambered in .40 S&W and 9x19mm. I don’t think that will happen with a .45. In a self-defense scenario, you're using your firearm because if you don't, you or a loved one will be harmed. They obviously apply to other calibers as well.

I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject. Some times much faster. Adam, Eve (before they sinned), and the Lord Jesus Christ (Who never sinned.) 9mm in the field just makes sense, for all the reasons Eric lists plus those of you fine, well informed readers. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same.

This isnt a pride of ownership statement either.

Same old crap different day. For example, the .357 SIG and the .400 CorBon both outperform these two icons, but both are spinning down the drain of consumer rejection, while these two old warhorses just keep going. And stay in touch with newsletters of our best articles on techniques, guns, & gear. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. The choice for anybody should be what they are comfortable with and accurate with. 45 ACP vs 45 GAP Pistols.

With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm.

9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). As well as reliability? Click here if you want to learn about more handgun calibers. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. n 2014, the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) released a report detailing the potential combat effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge when compared to other calibers such as the .45 ACP and the .40 S&W cartridge that was specifically developed for use by the FBI. Have three .45 acp’s and 5 9mm.

My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. I realize these instances are rare but one things for sure i can cut a target in half with rapid shots so easily with a 1022 because of zero recoil i think i could shoot 4 rounds to 1 outta my 45.

I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. The .45acp makes bigger holes, all else being equal. Thanks, Eric! It comes from the shooter.

Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm to be more easy to use. I have a different take. :), Here's an old lady's take on it: the best gun/caliber is what YOU shoot best. Whereas in .45, fully half of the rounds made 500 ft lb or more in a 6" barrel, and one round made better than 600 ft lb So say it has a 500 FPS advantage.

I love your Pro / Con's of each. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. I don't want to carry anything bigger. So, pick what you like, as long as the handgun iis suited to the job at hand. Momentum is more important than energy for potency. But, first let me explain. Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry.

And that's why an old lady clings to her old 1911 :). Our favorite guns and gear that we've tested and fully recommend. If there's bears...I'd go with bear spray first. For me it is just a matter of cost. So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. I have shot many things living and not w both calibers and i have to say that 45acp does noticeably more damage. If we read the Thompson/LaGarde tests, the real shortened report by LaGarde, not something that some current gunwriter put out, we find that the 45 works better.

I currently carry a .40 s&w. What is much more important is training and practice.

ERIC! The one thing I never see mentioned about the .45 acp is that because it's a slower round and over penetration issues drop dramatically it, FMJ is still a very good SD/HD ammo. pressure difference and speed alone doesn’t mean its more powerful. bullet compared to 147 gr. However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. Option one; You choose to have ammunition in your pistol that is know to over penetrate because why would you need a bullet that doesn't fully penetrate something.

1350+ FPS in my 5 inch barrel Colt Gold Cup. Then again, if penetration through a bedroom door, heavy jacket, glass, etc your .45 won't make it to the target, so much to think about! All the comments are great. In 1945 the U.S. Government tested the 9mm and .45 acp on a steel military helmet. Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately. Or you could end up in prison. This has been an ongoing debate for more than 100 years. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I own both 9 and 45 because I enjoy both and in a shtf both will be needed. More stopping power. One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. which should I use a 9 mm or a .45?

I have to agree you do need both a 9mm and a 45 cal as far as comparing them I feel it is apples and oranges both are great. My grandfather gave it to me back in the early 1990s before he died. Enough to spawn sayings you’ll see all over forums (and t-shirts). My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. Really? But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45—what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. They say those things from a position of authority and impressionable young guys grow up and repeat them decades later. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. Of the many debatable topics of conversation in the firearms world, one that pops up a lot more often than others, relates to caliber. http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php Saying Islamic Terrorist attacks were really just another "gun violence incident" is a vile misrepresentation of reality. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need.

The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. With the latest 9mm defensive rounds it's come down to choice not effectiveness. 7 Reasons Why Cops Choose the 9 mm Over the .40, 46 Everyday Carry Items in 3 Different Setups, Compact Power: 26 Concealed Carry Pistols For 2015, 8 Law Enforcement-Ready AR-15 Rifles Under $1,000, 18 Essential Law Enforcement Accessories For 2015. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. chambered in .400 Corbon gives me the power of a 10mm in a 45 ACP case size.

People think that if you have good placement, you will get the job done. If the small calibers do not expand they are not nearly as reliable as hard ball from the 45 ACP. The .45ACP is a superior defensive round, all else being equal. I really admire the professional comments that was written. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. Most of my practice is at 10 yards, I do vary 10 feet to 20 yards. The best ergonomics, the feel of the recoil, and let's not forget about how gorgeous it is! For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. One other thing of interest is that in the Buckeye Firearms study both velocity and mass increase accuracy, but again, accuracy favors calibers that can excel and one or both of these things. Please try again. The.45 ACP is probably a bit better in terms of a larger wound cavity if no barrier is involved. I will always have a 1911, because it is my favorite gun to shoot. In fact, since the world began, only 3 people have been:- If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm.

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